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Inappropriate Temptations
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Inappropriate Temptations Inappropriate Temptation Is The Topic For The Third Virtual Symposium on Nov 1 When it comes to temptations the modifier "inappropriate" is sometimes redundant. To be tempted carries a suggestion that there may be negative consequences to giving in, although the temptress may be so alluring as to be irresistable. One might consider the Veal Parmigiana and yet, reluctantly decide against it on the grounds that the calves harvested to provide the veal are often treated abominably. The same case might be made against any meal featuring a dead mammal, or fowl for that matter. At one time, when animal husbandry was, well, husbandry, the trade off did not seem so bad. The animal was cared for, guarded jealously, and fed without having to forage for itself. It was nurtured, with an ulterior motive to be sure, but nurtured nonetheless. In return it gave its life in the nurture of our own. Certainly there were never creatures queuing up for the privilege of contributing to our nurture and our nutrition, but it was a far cry from the industrialized and impersonalized nature of livestock farming and feeding today. There are so many animals in a facilty (and it IS a facility now, not a farm) today that they cannot be seen as anything but a commodity. The numbers are too vast. Workers in these…..abattoirs… are simply overwhelmed by the sheer volume of creatures they are confronted with. It causes them to become calloused, in self defense. How could a man find empathy with all these creatures and not wish to die himself? Or commit havoc on that facility? Or upon life in general?  Over crowding has an effect on not just the creatures that we consume, but on us as well. When faced with it we rebel- recoil rather- and disconnect. Our empathy has to shut down to preserve sanity. You simply cannot identify with all these beings and escape untouched. We ourselves are becoming a bit crowded on the planet, and it is affecting our empathy for one another as individual human beings. One might almost think that there are suddenly too many of us. How can anyone possibly relate to these overwhelming and innumerable hordes of people? I might suggest that we are no longer seeing them as people and are not bothering to relate to them at all. They are another commodity to be consumed. That all took a sour turn, didn't it? No discussion of sultry eighteen year old temptresses seducing wealthy older men who believed that they were in fact the seducers. No passion starved and beautiful high school teachers corrupting the morals of their students and fucking them silly (as if they were not already hopelessly silly) at every opportunity, in spite of the risks to their livelihoods and reputations. No Lolitas unknowingly undermining and eventually destroying any semblance of moral character in in an enchanted and enraptured don old enough to be her father. No cougar using young men for their rock hard stomachs and cocks and discarding them thoughtlessly once used. Feel better now? It can feel at times as if were living in Kafka's recurring nightmare, estranged and alienated. There is sensory overload and a temptation to curl up in a fetal ball and shut off all the voices. Retreat in self defense. An alternative response is to bulldoze through life<b> trampling </font></b>over everyone and taking what you want. Too much or too little empathy are not new conditions for us. The hyper sensitives and the sociopaths have always been with us, but it seems to be ramping up. We are better connected and less engaged at the same time. Self preservation is an imperative but the temptation toward fight or flight can get out of balance, and become inappropriate, in that it isolates us. We are social animals and we do need each other. You have to keep your guard up- and let other people in. I don't think it will be easy. What do YOU think? Become a member now and get a free tote bag. |
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In any event, they aren't looking for me. And I don't think confusion is the correct word. Complete ignorance is a better fit. Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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B, I loved the way you started going in one direction, and ended up Ina completely different place! Bravo. And I agreed with your sentiments, completely, at the end. We have to them in. Had I not, i wouldn't have you in my life. Kitkat The observant make the best lovers, I may not do right, but I do write, I have bliss, joy, and happiness in my life, Kitkat Come check out my blog KItkat1415 check out this post by me Adventures In Body Grooming #39 April Topic Link: What Lies Beneath If April Showers Oh Bloody Hell What Kind Of Weather Turns Me On Bloggers Symposium 40
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I'm just glad you added that paragraph about the Lolitas, because the thought of all that beef locked in squalid conditions merely to feed our flesh was making me hungry. Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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That in fact turned into a bit of a problem for me in deciding what to write - so many seductions can be seen as temptations. I loved the choice of topic, and then I couldn't narrow it down to a single choice. In the end, I've seen a lot of people withdraw into a shell and that seemed like one of the worst of temptations- yielding to fear. Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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Very well said B. The responsibility of stewardship has been thrown by the wayside. Technology, tool of the Devil, connected yet disconnected, even under the same roof. Well done, my friend, Love, Kathleen All of these lines are being crossed over the atmosphere I need to know that things are gonna look up 'Cause I feel us drowning in a sea spilled from a cup Train - Calling All Angels Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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B, I loved the way you started going in one direction, and ended up Ina completely different place! Bravo. And I agreed with your sentiments, completely, at the end. We have to them in. Had I not, i wouldn't have you in my life. Kitkat Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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Yes, I would agree that factory farmed meat is an inappropriate temptation. I succumbed last night - needed chicken for a recipe today and didn't want to drive 30 miles RT to the coop that carries humanely raised meat...  
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Yes, I would agree that factory farmed meat is an inappropriate temptation. I succumbed last night - needed chicken for a recipe today and didn't want to drive 30 miles RT to the coop that carries humanely raised meat... Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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You've raised -- as is par for the course for you -- some very interesting issues... and you've done so in your usual literate fashion... but every symposium needs debate. Where is the Alcibiades to your Socrates? *Ahem* "When it comes to temptations the modifier "inappropriate" is sometimes redundant. To be tempted carries a suggestion that there may be negative consequences to giving in, although the temptress may be so alluring as to be irresistable." Does every temptation bear a negative connotation? Is every temptation inappropriate? I see the word "temptation" as "impulse" -- and an impulse can be as much to the good as to the detriment. I am tempted to donate to my local public radio station, because I want the tote bag. It can even be neutral. One moderately sized bowl of ice cream is a temptation, but unless one is lactose intolerant or diabetic, is it inappropriate? There is no moral issue here, and ostensibly it does no harm to anyone but the consumer. (Note: Suicide does not fall under this umbrella, as suicide, unless done by a hermit, has an impact on the people around the suicide-ee.) The temptation to take advantage of someone who is unable to give consent -- whether due to inebriation, restraint, or lack of mental capacity (whether age-related or otherwise) is inappropriate, and it is inappropriate due to ethical considerations. It is inherently a destructive act, as opposed to an act of simple desire. Then there is the temptation of meat. Your argument does not posit eating meat as inherently ethically transgressive: You allow for it under certain circumstances. (Your stance reminds me of how Native Americans supposedly pray to the gods to help them use every bit of the buffaloes they kill -- which is commendable.) So, as you note, it is not the meat itself which is an inappropriate temptation, it's the surrounding waste. There's a parallel here to sexual mores -- and I am not, am not, AM NOT advocating inappropriate behavior here, and certainly not advocating illegal behavior. But... sexual mores are relative, as in the cases of societies or eras that sanction either different ages of consent, or which are more or less comfortable with various practices. That interpretation, however, is addressed in another of your points: "An alternative response is to bulldoze through life trampling over everyone and taking what you want. Too much or too little empathy are not new conditions for us." Now you're talking about actively and directly mocking the beliefs of others. Is that an inappropriate temptation? I would say that anything done callously, and with the deliberate intent to hurt, is. I'm not sure that carnivorous impulses fall into that category... unless one is bringing hamburgers into a vegetarian commune. Final note, regarding your response to smartasswoman: There is no need to look further for evidence that we are the commodity than Faze book. Participants are served up to advertisers based on said participants' expressed preferences. Is it a fair exchange? I might argue yes, in that participants get a variety of entertainment in return for being pimped. Stop in, read, and offer comments at my "swinging as seen in the media" blog, "Confessions of a Lifestyle Man" humorlife, which is also the home of the monthly virtual symposium. New post: The Virtual Symposium Returns Lets Pick A Topic
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You've raised -- as is par for the course for you -- some very interesting issues... and you've done so in your usual literate fashion... but every symposium needs debate. Where is the Alcibiades to your Socrates? *Ahem* "When it comes to temptations the modifier "inappropriate" is sometimes redundant. To be tempted carries a suggestion that there may be negative consequences to giving in, although the temptress may be so alluring as to be irresistable." Does every temptation bear a negative connotation? Is every temptation inappropriate? I see the word "temptation" as "impulse" -- and an impulse can be as much to the good as to the detriment. I am tempted to donate to my local public radio station, because I want the tote bag. It can even be neutral. One moderately sized bowl of ice cream is a temptation, but unless one is lactose intolerant or diabetic, is it inappropriate? There is no moral issue here, and ostensibly it does no harm to anyone but the consumer. (Note: Suicide does not fall under this umbrella, as suicide, unless done by a hermit, has an impact on the people around the suicide-ee.) The temptation to take advantage of someone who is unable to give consent -- whether due to inebriation, restraint, or lack of mental capacity (whether age-related or otherwise) is inappropriate, and it is inappropriate due to ethical considerations. It is inherently a destructive act, as opposed to an act of simple desire. Then there is the temptation of meat. Your argument does not posit eating meat as inherently ethically transgressive: You allow for it under certain circumstances. (Your stance reminds me of how Native Americans supposedly pray to the gods to help them use every bit of the buffaloes they kill -- which is commendable.) So, as you note, it is not the meat itself which is an inappropriate temptation, it's the surrounding waste. There's a parallel here to sexual mores -- and I am not, am not, AM NOT advocating inappropriate behavior here, and certainly not advocating illegal behavior. But... sexual mores are relative, as in the cases of societies or eras that sanction either different ages of consent, or which are more or less comfortable with various practices. That interpretation, however, is addressed in another of your points: "An alternative response is to bulldoze through life trampling over everyone and taking what you want. Too much or too little empathy are not new conditions for us." Now you're talking about actively and directly mocking the beliefs of others. Is that an inappropriate temptation? I would say that anything done callously, and with the deliberate intent to hurt, is. I'm not sure that carnivorous impulses fall into that category... unless one is bringing hamburgers into a vegetarian commune. Final note, regarding your response to smartasswoman: There is no need to look further for evidence that we are the commodity than Faze book. Participants are served up to advertisers based on said participants' expressed preferences. Is it a fair exchange? I might argue yes, in that participants get a variety of entertainment in return for being pimped. The modifier inappropriate is sometimes- sometimes- redundant. Implying "not always". I won't dispute you about suicide, but I will add that since we cannot know what internal hell someone might be living, it might just be the appropriate response in spite of the horrendous effect it has on those around the suicide. The temptation to take advantage of those who are unable to give consent…..is inappropriate. This is The American Way. It is our history summed up in a single sentence, in spite of the examples you will certainly come up with to counter it. (I'm in a dark mood concerning humanity in general. This too shall pass.) We agree that sexual mores are mutable. Actively mocking the beliefs of others? I was referring to rapacious behavior here, not mocking behavior. And I don't think my point of view here is at all mocking, but simply an observation. It can be seen as implied that I disapprove of bulldozing through life trampling over everyone. You've lost me a bit, I confess, with "mocking". I agree that we get some entertainment value from AssPlace. We are also manipulated by their experiments with ad selection and news feeds. Is it worth the trade off? Well, you pays yer nickel and you takes yer chances. I tend to ignore ads, and just tune them out. I'm getting to the point where I'm trying to ignore the news feeds too. Different media outlets have an agenda that isn't mine, for example the current election cycle. I am undecided about AssPlace at present. i figured I'd give it a year and see if it still gaives me hives. On the whole I have to disagree with your opening remarks about this post. I was never happy with it and I'm still not. I voted for the topic so I can't complain, but I had more than one theme in mind and all of them got way too complicated and involved for a short post. So I ended up with this as a substitute, and it looks like one. Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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My "mocking" phrase was poorly expressed. Wasn't trying to imply that you were mocking anyone's beliefs: Was trying to indicate that some temptations (like considering bringing pork lo mein to a synagogue pot luck dinner) would be mocking others' beliefs. And... I have all the tote bags I need. What I need are more Car Talk episodes. Stop in, read, and offer comments at my "swinging as seen in the media" blog, "Confessions of a Lifestyle Man" humorlife, which is also the home of the monthly virtual symposium. New post: The Virtual Symposium Returns Lets Pick A Topic
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My "mocking" phrase was poorly expressed. Wasn't trying to imply that you were mocking anyone's beliefs: Was trying to indicate that some temptations (like considering bringing pork lo mein to a synagogue pot luck dinner) would be mocking others' beliefs. And... I have all the tote bags I need. What I need are more Car Talk episodes. In general I was trying to show that sensory overload, in this case due to overcrowding in a food production facility, used mainly as a metaphor, can cause a reaction that we may not be aware of at first. I think that this happens to us in our society at large when the cacaphony of voices and the deluge of input causes either retreat into a shell or at the other extreme behavior that simply denies the humanity and feelings of others. I think that the temptation to either extreme is what's inappropriate. We are all in this together, and should take care of each other. I have indulged in both of these extremes myself at times. I'm not bragging- balance can be hard to maintain. I accept your point that temptation can be seen as impulse. I was fixated on the Biblical fixation with temptation. And I want more Car Talk too. I love those guys. It's the laughter that hooks you. It's contagious, and the perfect way to begin a weekend. Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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I eat the fast food too, sometimes. But this seems to be another case of the metaphor taking on a life of it's own and suffocating the message. Like I told HG, I was not pleased with my post and I rather wish I hadn't done it. Enjoy your oatmeal. Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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Over crowding has an effect on not just the creatures that we consume, but on us as well. When faced with it we rebel- recoil rather- and disconnect. Our empathy has to shut down to preserve sanity. What a delightful insight into social psychological interactions....and how our actions are shaped by our environment....Nice read!!
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Thanks very much! When Upton Sinclair wrote "The Jungle" he meant to expose the dehumanizing conditions in the Chicago stockyards, and the exploitation of American factory labor, but the theme that took hold was the unsanitary production of food. People weren't so upset that workers died but they were put off that they died by falling into vats and grinders and would contaminate the meat. I'm not a food Nazi and I don't adopt the latest fads in what is or isn't fashionable to eat. But I have seen how people behave in these factories. It isn't simply cruel and thoughtless to the animals, it's unhealthy for the workers and for us. Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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Well, thanks! It's a provocative topic to me. Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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Temptation takes on may sizes, shapes and colors! Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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I was not thinking specifically of letting others in sexually, although I reckon that applies as well. I was thinking of friendships when I said we need each other. I don't have a large social circle myself- I'm not surrounded by a network of friends who'll hustle me along over the rough spots. I do have a few very close friends though and they enrich my life. But I made those friends by opening up. I include my wife in that- had I not been receptive I'd be so much more alone, and poorer. Thanks for your comment. I think we may have some things in common. Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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You might one day encounter a lovely woman 20 years older than you who wants to adore you... She would be a cougar, if she was very rich and you were only interested because of her money, you would be a toy-boy... It's a very different dynamic.  Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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I responded to your comment once, and again it disappeared, just like the last time. This is starting to piss me off. there was nothing in that response to cause it to be denied, and I got no message saying it had been denied. it simply disappeared. What the fuck is going on? Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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Well, it's bullshit! You ought to be able to comment in a friend's blog and are entitled to a response. It's fucking childish. Become a member now and get a free tote bag.
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